Opinion: I vaccinate but don’t remove the Religious “Exemption”

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Trigger warning:
My article below challenges the prevalent assumption that the state may mandate vaccination. I am NOT anti-vax, but just anti-coercion and pro-bodily-autonomy. If you find this view offensive or disturbing and would like to continue living in blissful ignorance while the very underpinnings of free society are under attack, then please don’t read this:

What’s Wrong with Religious “Exemption?”
Mandatory Vaccination and the Nuremburg Code

Part I:

There’s something deeply troubling about the whole debate over “religious exemption” from mandatory vaccination.

It avoids the real elephant in the room.

Who granted the government the authority to mandate vaccination in the first place?

What happened to bodily autonomy?

Some point to the fact that the state doesn’t coerce anyone to vaccinate, and as such, doesn’t technically violate anyone’s autonomy.

Of course, this is a specious argument. Mandatory vaccination effectively bars a child from school. Depriving a child of an education is coercive. Education is a right, not a privilege.

For a working single mother, homeschooling is simply not an option. For many couples who both work, staying home to homeschool children condemns their family to indigence. This “non-compulsory” law forces them to choose between vaccination and poverty.

How can free society tolerate such cruel and intolerant policy?

Some folks argue that personal freedoms must be restricted (read: violated) when there’s a public safety risk.

Their reasoning: measles can be deadly, and an unvaccinated child is at greater risk to contracting the dreaded disease and spreading it further to others. Since this child arguably poses a risk to the community, they argue, he may be barred from the public whose safety we are trying to safeguard.

The problem is that infringing on individual’s rights in the name of public welfare is a risky business. We’re treading on thin ice, constitutionally-speaking.

Let’s first assess the actual risk that this one child poses. She is presently healthy, indistinguishable from a vaccinated child. The fear is that there is a higher statistical possibility that she may contract an infectious disease.

This reasoning might also lead us to conclude that children from ethnicities who have higher incidents of juvenile delinquency may be barred from society too. After all, a student from such ethnic and socio-economic backgrounds surely increases the statistical risk for school violence.

Muslim children may be barred from schools too, since they are certainly at higher risk of radicalization and jihadism.

Where do we draw the line?

Is the threat of measles more lethal than that of school shootings or suicide bombings?

Nevertheless, irrational fear of disease seems to provide an excuse to curtail individual freedoms more so than other security or safety concerns.

The loudest voices in our society justify the banning of the unvaccinated due to public safety risk.

Public health outweighs an individual’s rights, they argue.

I’d assume these same people enthusiastically support the NSA recording our conversations and so-called concentration camps at the border, both of which supposedly exist to protect the public.

However, that’s not the case. These same outspoken proponents of mandatory vaccination are oddly silent when it comes to the state suspending other civil liberties.

Instead, they often protest these government abuses, yet nod in approval when unvaccinated children are barred from school.

[Even more inexplicably, they’ll clamor for the rights of unvaccinated migrants (and their unimpeded integration into American society) yet advocate sequestering unvaccinated children of U.S. citizens.]

So I ask them: why do you believe individuals are any less entitled to medical freedom than they are freedom of mobility, speech, or expression?

You’ll fight for a woman’s right to wear hijabs, in spite of the conceivable possibility that she’s hiding a weapon underneath, but have no qualms forcing her to submit to bodily injection in the name of preventing potential harm to the public!

You deplore “apartheid” policies that exclude Arabs from crossing a border to mitigate security risks, but cheer when unvaccinated children are shunned from the public, banned from school, treated as pariahs and untouchables… all because they supposedly pose a public health risk!

I’ll be the simple son and ask the obvious question: why is this apartheid different from all other apartheids?

When NYC fines people for not complying with mandatory MMR, you cite an increased risk of measles from the unvaccinated population. Yet you deplore racial profiling and police’s biased attitude towards minorities, even though there’s an increased risk of violent offenders coming from that same minority population.

You have zero tolerance for bias against black people but plenty of tolerance for bias against unvaccinated people.

You’ll champion a woman’s inviolable right to consent yet turn a blind eye when teen-age girls are penetrated with an intravenous needle under duress! Poked and force-injected with someone else’s bodily fluid (i.e. that of aborted babies, not to mention monkeys and other mammals)!

You’ll stand up for a woman’s choice to kill her 9-month-old fetus but reject her choice to decline the Hepatitis-B vaccine for that same baby one day later!

Why the double standards?

Why are you okay with infringing on individual’s civil liberties only with regards to vaccines?

Who gave the state exclusive rights to our bloodstreams!?

It’s irrelevant that there’s a vaccinating majority. Since when do we condone dictatorship of the majority?

We simply cannot tolerate such egregious violations of individual citizens’ rights. There’s too much at stake.

Bodily autonomy is sacrosanct. An individual’s right to medical choice is inviolable.

This is the USA, land of the free!

Not only may we not force-vaccinate anyone, neither may we ostracize them for not being vaccinated.

That’s Jim Crow laws revisited.

We may not bar children from schools. It’s no different than barring blacks from schools for phony excuse of “keeping the neighborhood safe.”

Unvaccinated children are just as human as your own, and they are entitled to an education!

A school that will not accommodate all healthy children should not be allowed to accommodate any children.

There can be no tolerance for such discriminatory policies in free society.

So that brings me back to my problem with “religious exemption.”

Why does anyone need an “exemption” in the first place?

Any person should be fully entitled to decline ANY medical procedure, no questions asked.

The state may enforce seatbelts, motor-vehicle or aviation safety, consumer protection, etc., but they may not force-medicate healthy individuals. That’s a red line that must never be crossed.

Part II:

Years ago, while we weren’t paying attention, the government insidiously usurped our freedoms by enforcing mandatory vaccination policy, while tossing us a conciliatory doggy bone, so-called “religious exemption.” That enabled individuals to decline, but for specifically-religious reasons only.

Shockingly, “non-religious” individuals were never afforded such a “privilege.” Moreover, an individual could only cite uniquely-religious reasons, and was often harassed by his own coreligionists who disputed his right to his own religious beliefs!

Fast-forward to the present. Now we have an outrageous situation in which self-proclaimed religious experts ridiculously profess expertise on every known religion on earth. These so-called spiritual leaders claim that there are no valid religious reasons for declining vaccination ever.

New York state legislators were only too eager to follow suit and eliminated religious exemption altogether, banning some 35,000+ children from school in one fell swoop.

What is the reaction from the freedom-loving people of New York State?

Silence, complacency, and indifference.

Shameful, appalling and deplorable.

Truth is, however, that the population has been unsuspectingly indoctrinated over the course of many years, ever since mandatory vaccination was introduced, even throughout the time that religious exemption had been honored.

Zealous efforts to ensure “herd immunity” have led to “herd thinking.” No one is permitted to question the state-imposed vaccination paradigm. My goodness, independent thinking is viewed as a “public health risk” and suppressed! Anyone who questions the state’s mandate to vaccinate the population is roundly tarred and feathered in the name of “protecting public health.”

Despite their best of intentions, the champions of “public health” have sadly trampled our First Amendment rights in the process.

My friends, it’s time to take back the narrative and reclaim our autonomy.

Your body belongs to you and you alone. No one may dictate what you inject into yourself.

Doctors may encourage vaccination, and surely you ought to consider their advice and possibly comply, but that is YOUR decision and no one else’s.

Yes, it’s possible that if the unvaccinated population increases, some diseases might return.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing we can do about that, short of vaccinating ourselves and your children.

We may NOT vaccinate other people’s children.

If we allow that, then we are no longer a free country, but a police state.

We will have lost everything.

As Patrick Henry famously cried, “Give me liberty or give me death.”
Is measles worse than death?

(Parenthetically, has there been even one death in the recent measles outbreak in the US? 1,203 cases so far this year, but not a single fatality. Please remind me why measles is so dreaded…)

I’d rather deal with measles than with a dystopian police state, the risk we take if we don’t stymie the government’s efforts to restrict our free choice and bodily autonomy.

Let’s review the opening lines of the Nuremburg Code:

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

Vaccination ought to be a matter of “enlightened decision,” not a “forced” decision made “under duress” by “overreaching” government. Barring children from school amounts to coercion and cannot be tolerated.

Let’s all wake up now before it’s too late.

Yes, religious freedom is under attack in the Empire State and throughout the country.

Under the law, religion is defined as “personal, strongly held beliefs,” not necessarily related to organized religion.

It’s no coincidence that our founding fathers enshrined it in the very first amendment.

When government attempts to tamper with it, all freedom is lost. It is the beginning and end to our cherished liberties, and we cannot afford to lose it.

We already began to forfeit our freedoms when we tolerated state-imposed mandatory vaccine schedule.

Religious freedom is our last stand, so to say.

It’s time for every freedom-loving citizen to stand up to defend it, irrespective of one’s opinions on vaccines.

This is not about vaccines. It’s about preserving the essence of who we are as a nation.

G-d bless America, and G-d bless our freedoms.

 

Rabbi Michoel Green of Massachusetts


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46 COMMENTS

  1. Very nice article and makes me think very deep about the government in general of controlling people. At least a year back I was always laughing at conspiracy theories but notice that every time government creates a problem and then solves it their way. Notice that prior to passing of the mandating vaccine law, everyone were talking about measles epidemic but once the law passed, the entire epidemic finished. Very interesting.

  2. BSD
    Seems like the obvious has no validity in this back n forth in the vaccine issue because of the potential nuclear bomb that is destined to explode when the openly available truth is finally embraced as it always eventually gets embraced.

    Between the chinuch system & even the way adults learn – developing conscience, imagination, & emotional fortitude is rarely on any menu. Perhaps people read about it or are given dramatic speeches – but developing emotional fortitude & strong middos is no different than working out physical muscles- 1 speech or 100 ain’t gonna cut it. Neither will reading books. Ehrlichkeit takes many tests to build up – it’s NOT for free!

    Sure – people who have searched for a richer more authentic life have sought out world class life coaches & mastermind chaburas like Rabbi Pliskin & nonJews dr. Joe Dispenza & dr John Demartini & will develop & have the solid middos & personality traits that make up emotionally healthy people – like humble openness, conscientiousness, concern for others feelings & opinions, agreeableness, & fairminded stability.

    Throughout the months of the recklessly mindless ruthless coercive vaccine campaign – when attempting to engage rabbanim, rebbetzins, mothers, etc. – it was beyond terrifying to realize that there was zero “derech eretz kadmah l’torah”. Few had the mentchlichkeit to discuss the obvious dysfunction & sickness & it’s obvious connection to culture-driven poor lifestyle, health ignorance, & use of pHARMa synthetic & dangerously unnecessary drugs & procedures.

    I found instead the kind of responses from very “distinguished” rabbinic men & women influencers that reminded me of the traits I learned about in my ABNORMAL psychology course in college: such as being dismissive though I was calm & respectful, critical without willingness to listen, behaving superior, irrational, uncaring, closed minded, & arrogant.

    The implicit message – “you are a BAD & dangerous little girl & should not have a say in all this”…I wonder if I came with a couple million dollars – would my solid vax-fraud research & 3 decades long experiences of an educator, investigator, mother, & grandmother also have no validity?

    But, in truth, all those “influencers” add up to a relatively small amount of people compared to the hundreds of thousands of parents who have placidly accepted dysfunction, debilitating sickness, singledom, infertility, & burying their children (rarely a week passes that the misaskim list doesn’t have families that are sitting shiva for children).

    There are 2 crowd-funding efforts that I just saw to ask people to fund more barbaric experimental treatments for vaccine injured children. Of course – that can’t be admitted – so parents naively accept the reeking with sheker diagnoses of “rare genetic diseases” when these children were vaccinated with vaccines that the companies admit cause neurological disease & demyelination.

    These diseases occur less than 1% of the time in the nonvaccinated population. There are a number of independent studies using surveys from around the world proving that nonvaccinated people are genuinely healthy in body mind & soul MANY times more than the poisoned majority.

    Most parents who, unfortunately, just followed the herd mentality & health ignorant rabbis & doctors & are now dealing with health & function compromised children KNOW in their subconscious guts that THEY are personally accountable for sacrificing their children on the vaccine altar.

    They refuse to deal with the pain that most of US parents who did teshuvah felt when we acknowledged the serious mistakes we made because we did not know better! It happens! That’s life – and now it’s time to grow up – DO TESHUVA & remember that THE EIN SOF, THE Rofeh Ne’eman v’Rachman has the infinite ability & LOVE to heal ALL His precious children.

    It’s time to grow up & not be victimized by the doctors, rabbis, principals, pharmacists, businessmen -& ALL of our family, friends, & neighbors who somehow have “conflicts of interest”.

    Morally ehrlicheh people have the powerful moral courage to not leave any stone unturned when it comes to protecting people from the nefarious harm by openly acknowledged reshaim as Bill Gates, Paul Offit, Richard Pan, the swindlers in the UN, WHO, GAVI, CDC & all those mosdos that have accepted funds from the cdc to damage yet another generation.

    Please wake up – and join the conscious warriors against pHARMa evils – who will be zoche to greet mashiach tzidkeinu very soon. When we keep our heads in the sand and refuse to uncover truth= light – how different is that from the 80% of Jews who perished in makas choshech?!?!?!

    Want to enhance health & protect from disease? I’ll hapoily share my hard earned knowledge with any serious person…drop me a note:
    Emmunity101@protonmail.com

  3. Time and again I’ve read in vaccine studies about the fear of having the public question vaccine safety and it being the overriding concern, not concern about individual – and public – health.

  4. The pretext of “public health” is the same pretext used by the Germans. As Jews we need to be extra cautious about relinquishing religious rights because issues such as Milah and shechita won’t be far behind. New Yorkers will soon lose their religious freedoms related to the education of their children. That is frightening! Wake up before it’s too late!

  5. Brilliant article! The author brings up such a good point- why is vaccination an automatic opt in system? Why do those who refuse vaccination have to go through a process to opt out? It is a medical procedure that comes with risks. No one knows who will have a bad reaction. Those with family history of autoimmune disease or previous reactions are at higher risk. So why does it have to be so hard for those families to say no? Where there is risk, there must always be choice.
    This past winter during the outbreak many families caved and vaccinated their children against their will. There have been several reports of adverse reactions including seizures, blurred vision, behavioral changes, thrombocytopenia and more. These are life altering reactions and their stories deserve an article of its own.

  6. Bravo, Rabbi Green! Thank you for speaking up. I pray this information spreads far and wide.

    “Religious freedom is our last stand, so to say. It’s time for every freedom-loving citizen to stand up to defend it, irrespective of one’s opinions on vaccines.”

  7. Good point. So true. Especially because I know that measles is still going around. The other thing I was wondering about is if passing this law made the government feel like they can take away other religious freedoms, like what they are trying to pass for the schools.

  8. In a miracle of modern medicine, the day after legislation repealing exemptions passed, the measles epidemic also vanished. Now you will see the ‘epidemic’ move on to other states, only to vanish as soon as legislation there passes.

    And did you really think this would end with religious exemptions? NYS now wishes to take control of the curriculum and private and religious schools under the guise of ‘substantial equivalency’. Each school or Yeshiva, with curriculum dictated by the NYS public school system. Do you realize some of the subjects you will be required to teach…or be fined and shut down? It’s the end of Torah as you know it.

    Show up at the Board of Regents meeting on September 9th if you want to have a say in the future of your schools.

    And for those of you who stood by while children were removed from schools, shuls and all other events and ostracized, not only by NYS, but through your own action and inaction….now they are coming for you. Good luck.

  9. I noticed you mentioned seat belt laws.
    Why are you ok with those?
    That is a far greater infringement on our liberties, because that does no harm to anyone except the person not wearing the belt!

    • Good point, but one can argue that modern mechanical transportation on public roads is a privilege and not a right, so the state may regulate it. If you don’t like it, walk.

      • If you’re fine being enslaved to the “state” as we’re 80% of the Jews in Mitzrayim – that’s YOUR problem, but G-d fearing, FREE-willed human beings are NOT slaves & are accountable to the Creatir for making moral choices – “ubacharta ba’CHAIM”!

        The “state” is corrupted & it’s the responsibility of moral people to collaborate to see to it that justice takes precedence: “tzedek tzedek tirdof”!

        Whoever supports corruption is just as corrupt – might that be you – J Marcus??????

        • LOL I don’t support corruption, but I don’t see a reason that an orthodox Jew should be opposed to state making laws that protect people, like wearing a seat belt in a moving vehicle. Even if it’s an imposition and restricts your mobility, it’s a lot different than injecting foreign substances into your body, and it certainly isn’t anything that affects your health. Also, it only affects your mobility while you are driving, as opposed to vaccines that affect you wherever you are, even when you’re not in school! So I can see why someone might agree with the state imposing seat belt laws, but that does NOT allow the state to force-vaccinate anyone!

    • If someone had a religious objection to seatbelts, I would oppose the government forcing them to wear one.

      Also, the roads are t built, owned and maintained by the government. Therefore they have a say in how you drive on them. When it comes to private schools that is a completely different situation.

  10. I didn’t read past part 1 because you obviously have skewed information. I don’t deplore any of the examples you gave. Totally biased information in this article. Where did this information come from? Please don’t assume you know what everyone’s stance is by the opinions of a few.

  11. Interesting position for an Orthodox Rabbi.

    Same argument, about body autonomy and that your body belongs to you, with no one being allowed to impose something on your body, can be used to justify government ban on bris milah. What right does a parent have to maim their child? Let children first grow up and then choose for themselves whether they want this done to their bodies.

    It also supports laws supporting rights to assisted suicide and abortion.

    It also does not seem to be consistent with Torah prohibitions like tattooing, cutting oneself, sirus, etc.

    Also, regarding role of government in protecting public health, what would a purely halachic state do, as regards to vaccination ? Would it have pretty much the same rule, that one must vaccinate and use coercion to enforce it? I think it would.

    As to the hashkofa, interesting to see this article just as we are about to begin selichos. Haneshama Lach, v’haguf shelach….
    Does that mean that https://greaterlakewood.com/opinion-i-vaccinate-but-i-am-against-religious-exemption-heres-why/

    Interesting position for an Orthodox Rabbi.
    Same argument, about body autonomy and that your body belongs to you, with no one being allowed to impose something on your body, can be used to justify government ban on bris milah.
    It also supports laws supporting rights to assisted suicide and abortion.
    It also does not seem to be consistent with Torah prohibitions like tattooing, cutting oneself, sirus, etc.
    Also, regarding role of government in protecting public health, what would a purely halachic state do, as regards to vaccination ? Would it have pretty much the same rule, that one must vaccinate and use coercion to enforce it? I think it would.
    As to the hashkofa, interesting to see this article just as we are about to begin selichos. Haneshama Lach, v’haguf shelach….
    Does that mean that one’s body belongs to oneself?

    Sent from my phone. body belongs to oneself?

    I think not.

    Sent from my phone.

    • Well said!
      A person can quote all kinds of stuff, but if he is talking as a Rabbi, he should bring Torah sources. Bodily autonomy is not a religious value

      • Bodily autonomy is synonymous with personal accountability for the health of our bodies.

        As a perpetual student of Torah – I know that this precept is clear spelled out for me & ALL Yiddin who abide by the Torah…

        Now’s an opportune time for teshuvah – CHAP AREIN!

        • Thank you so much for the collection of letters. NOw for some substance. Do you have a Torah source that says that a person is the owner of his body, that he may make his own decision regarding his own body? Please quote them instead of pouring your Rummikub letters over the screen.

          • Torah source: “vnishmartem m’od lnafshoseichem.” Every individual is required to safeguard his/her own body and well being. We are only permitted to act in violation of someone else’s bodily autonomy if s/he is directly threatening someone else’s life (rodef) or if his/her own life is in jeopardy (pikuach nefesh). It is a rather huge stretch to claim that the varicella vaccine (for example) may be forced into someone because of an infinitesimally small chance that he might die from chicken pox, or because of a sfek sfeiko that he might contract chicken pox and then pass it on to someone immunocompromised and cause that person to die, lo aleinu.

      • Not sure if these comments are getting posted here, but I’ll try to leave this here again. Bodily autonomy is the most basic context of freedom. Yes, a govt ought to prevent someone from trying to commit suicide or harm himself, since in those cases, the individual is taking an action (קום ועשה) to harm himself and others have an obligation (because of לא תעמוד על דם רעך) to prevent him from doing so. We feed someone who is refusing to eat to prevent him from starving, since eating and drinking is a normal human function necessary to live. The proponents of mandatory vaccination wish to present vaccines as a basic human necessity akin to eating and drinking, and hence conclude that we may force-vaccinate, just as we force-feed someone who is trying to starve himself. This is patently false, since the odds are overwhelming that the person will lead a healthy life without the vaccine. Moreover, a needle stab and injection are NOT normal human functions, but are considered “chavala” which are normally prohibited by halacha (unless a clear to’eles to this individual), so there is absolutely no grounds for force-injecting anyone!
        An eved nirtza gets his ear pierced by his master to symbolize his bondage, his lack of bodily autonomy in his self-inflicted avdus status (which parenthetically only applies in the case of מכרוהו בית דין, NOT המוכר את עצמו, perhaps because the נרצע status applies only to one who was sold against his will to begin with). No one may pierce your flesh without your consent (unless it is a life-saving measure for YOU in an actual life-threatening condition as an actual refuah, not just as a prevention for a statistical, potential risk).
        This is really such a basic idea. Kind of surprised that anyone here takes issue with such a rudimentary concept.

    • BSD
      Dovid Shlomo – though you may live where the Torah is not acknowledged as Divine truth, historically – the mitzvah of Milah at 8 days of age has always been accepted. So, you can put that issue to rest.

      If you turn back to last week’s Parshas re’eh – there’s a pivotal human concept called b’chirah= free will that Hashm has implanted in every human & honors that.

      If you say birchos hashachar – you SAY “sheloh assani aved”.

      With your thoughts, words, & actions – you could CHOOSE to be enslaved or NOT.

      Allowing immoral vaccinators to violate yours or your children’s skin-boundaries is equivalent to being enslaved. It’s actually not different than being molested, only worse – because vaccines tamper with and hamper the BRAIN!!!

      These days you can learn more emes about yiras Hashm from morally courageous heroes like Del Bigtree than from sadly corrupted & uncaring influencers…

      • Hi.
        Sorry that the text of my comment was garbled. I was tapping it out on my phone.
        I suppose that’s why you misunderstood what I wrote, thinking I’m against Bris Milah.

        I’m reposting it.

  12. There are so many conjectures here it’s silly. It’s not a statistic it’s a scientific fact. It’s not that x amount of unvaccinated kids will catch and spread the measeles. It’s that the measles has been removed from the public solely by means of vaccines. Not vaccinating brings it back.

    No one is saying you have to vaccinate but now, during a time when there is a measles break out it’s simply not ok to force a measles risk into a school. Especially when there are kids that are immune compromised.

    You’re trying to make so many comparisons to immigration, apartheid etc that simply dont compare.

    • Yitzy – your knowledge of this science is “pitzy”, and THAT is definitely a FACT!

      Try digging a wee bit into the immuno-suppressive growing phenomenon…it’s exactly what vaccines DO! Vaccines create the inflammation that triggered autoimmunity in the diagnosed child but ALSO reduces lifetime resilience in ALL vaccine recipients.

      Vaccines are not designed to benefit the public & not the individual in any way shape or form. You don’t have to buy that – that’s your FREE choice…but Hashm strongly advises us “ubacharta ba’chaim!

  13. When people have to get together to do something, they need rules. America is living under some anachronistic mentality, as though it is actually possible to live alone, and not have to take other people into account while living. That is why they think any law made for the public good is an ‘encroachment’, and they see it as un-American.

    Sorry, you live in a country, a city, or a community, there are rules that are necessary. If the leaders, in service of the public, see a need to eradicate an illness and they see vaccinations as the road to that goal, they need everyone to pitch in. Even if some people claim that they do not need or want the benefit of mass vacciantions, they are a part of a community, and these things are relevant to the public, not just the individual. A person cannot claim he is not part of the community and then demand the community’s schools accept them and the community’s resources should work for them. Yes, you have a vote, but if you are outvoted, it is too bad.

    We cannot have anarchism.

    • Was Bill Gates your educator? You have internalized the lessons well & are now to be christened as a “good citizen of the state”.

      I hope you’ve gone to get all your boosters, flu, pneumonia, shingles, & hpv vaccines…I must have left some out cuz there’s always some really amazing new ones being brought out. After you get your vaccines, make sure to get your colonoscopy & mammograms (men are being encouraged to get them yearly because of the surge of male breast cancer in the last year).

      You may want to check your genes besides the mammogram because if you test positive for BRACCA gene – you’d be much more at ease having all your reproductive organs removed, including breasts for BOTH men & women. I even saw a Mishpacha article that proved that rabbanim support prophylactic removal of organs.

      While they remove your reproductive organs, which is likely due to the high prevalence of the BRACCA gene in the Jewish gene pool – Rav Asher Weiss & Rabbi Yissachor Frand both spoke very strongly about everyone giving up 1 kidney since so many Jews are experiencing the yessurim shel “ahava” & losing their kidneys – giving all other Jews the superior chessed & segulah (for shidduchim) of giving up your kidney as soon as you can.

      Gotta run – but wanted to remind you to turn on your alarm to remember all your meds since they’re already having an effect on your memory – soon, though, it won’t really matter much that you take your statin, blood pressure, insulin, thyroxin, prozac, abilify , concerta, etc. cuz you’ll have already followed the herd down the Alzheimer’s road – when you don’t even know who you are – you won’t care either……thank you “state” for enforcing PHARMa products on us all – especially those really “safe & effective” vaccines – leading us all safely & effectively down the road to oblivion.

      NOT FOR US who stand up for TRUTH & MORALITY!!! Hashm IS protecting us! We don’t want your VAX & we certainly don’t need your schools! We are blessed with MUCH better!

      We welcome you all to join the resistance!

  14. Interesting position for an Orthodox Rabbi.

    Same argument, about body autonomy and that your body belongs to you, with no one being allowed to impose something on your body, can be used to justify government ban on bris milah.
    What right does a parent have to maim their child? Does the parent own the child and his body? Same logic would say “Let children first grow up and then choose for themselves whether they want this done to their bodies.”

    What about right to assisted suicide?

    Also, how does one square the Rabbi’s argument for absolute bodily autonomy with Torah prohibitions like tattooing, cutting oneself, sirus, etc.

    Regarding role of government, that’s a good question.
    What would a purely halachic state do, as regards to vaccination ? Would it have pretty much the same rule, that one must vaccinate and use coercion to enforce it?
    I think it would.

    Interesting to see this article just as we are about to begin selichos. Haneshama Lach, v’haguf shelach….
    Does that mean that one’s body belongs to oneself?
    I think not.

    It seems to me that a halachic state would favor coerced vaccination, for the sake of public health, and that halachic Jews should be supportive of government laws that similarly mandate vaccination.

    In the case of US Law, no child is being denied an education other than those whose parents choose to deny it to them.

    • can be used to justify government ban on bris milah.
      What right does a parent have to maim their child? Does the parent own the child and his body? Same logic would say “Let children first grow up and then choose for themselves whether they want this done to their bodies.

      Actually the opposite. If you have let the child decide by milah it should be the same by vaccinations.

      What about right to assisted suicide?

      The keyword is ASSISTED. The person helping with the murder is not the one being murdered

      Also, how does one square the Rabbi’s argument for absolute bodily autonomy with Torah prohibitions like tattooing, cutting oneself, sirus, etc.

      Don’t get the relevance. Is the government taking away people’s ability to decide about Torah prohibitions like tattooing, cutting oneself, sirus,?

      • Hi, Vaxxer.
        Rabbi spoke of personal, bodily autonomy as a Torah concept.

        Bris Milah: If you argue that people have bodily autonomy (as the Rabbi does), Torah should prohibit circumcision of minors.

        Assisted suicide: If you argue that people have bodily autonomy (as the Rabbi does), then they have the right to kill themselves, despite the fact that Torah says otherwise.

        Tattooing, siruss, self-cutting: If you argue that people have bodily autonomy (as the Rabbi does), then they have the right to tattoo, cut themselves, and destroy their reproductive organs, despite the fact that Torah says otherwise.

  15. To equate mandating an action to going after a demographic is so ignorant, it is hard to respond to it. The government can go after people who don’t file taxes, but they can’t go after people simply because they are a member of a demographic that is prone to dodging taxes. If you don’t get that difference, don’t post your ideas online.
    A large portion of the post was finding hypocrisy within some imaginary group and their inconsistencies. It does nothing to convince the broader public that public health should not trump personal liberties. I ask you: can someone with a highly contagious disease be quarantined? Surely detaining sick people who did nothing to violate the law is a violation of personal liberty, it’s right there in the constitution.
    It is hard to believe that such a harshly written post with so many inaccuracies wasn’t written by an anti-vaxxer.

    • Dear Lakewood Teacher, על ראשון ראשון :
      Mandating an action that violates civil rights (of individuals who don’t wish to comply) is synonymous with “going after a demographic,” since the unjust legislation has just created a new persecuted demographic. Please read my remarks above about “dictatorship of the majority.”
      Regarding hypocrisies: this is no imaginary group. I had originally written the article for Jews of my community, nearly all of whom espouse the inconsistent views I delineated above. A friend felt it would be of interest to Jews in Lakewood, so that’s how it ended up here.
      Regarding your question:
      Yes, someone with a highly contagious disease may be quarantined, since they are currently ill/contagious and pose direct and actual risk to others right NOW. A healthy person who is neither ill nor contagious cannot be quarantined, as it would be a grave violation of his personal autonomy and freedom of movement. We many not discriminate against a healthy person. “Public health policy” and “heard immunity” have absolutely zero basis in halacha. Don’t believe the vocal amei-ha’aretz who claim otherwise. I am not out to convince the “broader public” of anything, but to assert the truth.
      Now a comment for you: as it’s “hard” for you to believe that I’m not a so-called “anti-vaxxer,” you may believe anything you like, but it doesn’t change the מציאות. I am intrigued that you cannot fathom opinions that differ from your own, and that the way you seem to allay your uneasiness is by resorting to ad hominem pettiness. I trust that this faux pas is out of character for you, and was just a knee-jerk reaction to having your world view so “harshly” challenged. Either way, I am mochel b’leiv sholeim. Please don’t teach that form of polemic rhetoric to your students in Lakewood. They deserve better than that. ואת והב בסופה. May you be written and sealed for a sweet new year.

  16. to J. Marcus: You wrote:
    Torah source: “vnishmartem m’od lnafshoseichem.” Every individual is required to safeguard
    his/her own body and well being. We are only permitted to act in violation of someone else’s
    bodily autonomy if s/he is directly threatening someone else’s life (rodef) or if his/her own life is
    in jeopardy (pikuach nefesh). It is a rather huge stretch to claim that the varicella vaccine (for
    example) may be forced into someone because of an infinitesimally small chance that he might
    die from chicken pox, or because of a sfek sfeiko that he might contract chicken pox and then
    pass it on to someone immunocompromised and cause that person to die, lo aleinu.

    First of all, no vaccine is being “forced into” anyone. Rather, Yeshivos and the governments have determined that non-vaccinated children are a risk to public health and therefore should not be allowed to attend school. (Some physicians have made the same decision regarding their own premises.) No one is being forced to vaccinate. Parents are free to choose: Vaccinate and send your child to school or do not vaccinate and home school instead. Your choice. No one is coming to invade your home and force you (although I’m not so sure halacha would be as libertarian on this issue).
    As for v’nishmartem, that’s exactly the reason why public officials have an OBLIGATION, according to halacha, to protect public health.
    I welcome your directing me to poskim who understand the command as you do, that it instead gives a person the autonomy to disregard the opinions of conventional medicine and endanger the health of others.

  17. So is this where i vote on the law? is this congress? am I a constitutional lawyer?
    Why in the world are you trying to convince me of the unconstitutional nature of vaccine laws? I am not an expert!?
    The idea is this: I refuse to be persuaded by a layman as to constitutional law, and i refuse to be educated by a layman about health issues. Much the same as i refuse to accept Halacha from anyone who is not a rov.
    There is a culture of amateur “research” rampant in the world at large, and we as a community are not exempt. This article is not much more than a rant. The author does not present credentials. When a layman does research he can come to the most ludicrous conclusions while sounding very educated and convincing.
    Imagine listening to a shiur on the fundamentals of hilchos brachos from someone who has never stepped foot in a yeshiva, or an instructional talk on proper cooking techniques from a fellow who never so much as fried an omelette. Or a shalom bayis shmooze from someone who was never married. The would be laughed out of town, no matter how much research they did. They are not experts.
    The bottom line is this:
    Don’t talk about Law if you are not a lawyer.
    Don’t talk about daas torah if you are not a rabbi.
    Don’t talk about vaccines if you are not a doctor.

    • Herein lies your mistake. A lawyer studies law and practices law. Therefore he is one to discuss law with. A Rav learnt and learns Torah therefore he is one to discuss Torah with. A doctor studies how to administer vaccines and he administers them so he is one to discuss how to administer them. But a doctor does NOT learn vaccine safety. 6 Gedolim in Klal yisroel including without dispute Zakan Rosh Hayeshiva HaRav Shmuel Kamenetsky shiita have laid down the daas Torah here and that is parental rights. https://greaterlakewood.com/gl-exclusive-anti-vaxxers-responses-part-2/ A parent has a right to choose for the well-being of their children and no one may coerce them including blocking that child’s education in a school format.

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